May 25 2008

Stop Calling Him ‘Abang’

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Wow. I haven’t been posting for quite a long time. Since I usually blog everyday, or every other day. People are complaining. Especially, that someone. My very beloved super loyal reader. From what he said, I think he has read every post here. Kalau anda terasa, yes, kamu lah orangnya. :))

Today is a very just another boring sunday for me. I’m not doing anything! Yesterday, I was so productive, trying to finish my assignments, which I haven’t finish them by now, YET! I’m going to finish them as soon as possible. I got 2 assignments that need to be finished before the next class. which is, the drawing class assignment, and the figure studies assignment. The other 2… uh… the deadline is still far away. So, I’m going to procrastinate them for now. :p


this is my figure studies sketchbook. This is just the into page. haha. more like fashion design, isn’t it? LOL. I still have a hell lot more to improve.

Since yesterday, I’ve been eating a lot of ice-creams. And I mean, A LOT. Everytime i eat some, it looks something like this:


this is the second, for one episode of CSI.

On the other hand, Aida got a new bicycle for her birthday! She’ll be celebrating her 6th birthday tomorrow! :cheer:

She’s cute, but when it comes to having her pictures taken, she likes to make funny faces. It got me pretty annoyed since I like her cute face far better than her silly faces. She seems to enjoy her new bicycle so much. :cheer: :love:

Ok, these are not what I wanted to blog about. Hm… what was I going to blog abut, huh? oh yes..

Why we call him ‘Abang’?

Or shall I say, them.

Note: To those who can’t speak in Malay, you may find this quite confusing. Sorry.

When I watch Malay dramas or film, I swear I can puke if I see them calling their oh-so-loving boyfriend or someone older man as abang. I don’t mind if he’s really is their older brother (eventhough if it’s just a film). 1) Abang in Malay language is actually a common calling for elder brother, to show some respect. 2) Based on my understanding, we sometimes address people as Abang, to those who seem older, but is not suitable to be called a pakcik, or uncle. We call the cashier, abang. the waiter, abang. the jockey, the plumber, the technician, the guard, the people who was passing by, the bus/taxi drivers, the man who was just standing by the road and the list goes on.

I disagree with the latter. As a female teenager, I don’t find it suitable to address strangers who are about 19-30 years of age as ‘abang’. It sounds rather… flirtatious -in a cheesy way, instead of respecting. For those who can speak Malay, I’m not sure if you agree with this argument. For toddlers or any kids to call the older males as brother is cute. But for an 18-year-old girl to call abang? uh… not cute. How about for male teenagers? Go ahead. That’s normal, I think.

Some schools (and I’m talking about secondary schoola) implement this as a culture where the juniors should call the seniors as abang. I have no comment or any objections about this culture, because they are using this culture for the juniors to respect their seniors. BUT, seriously, do you really want to call him, abang, eventhough he is just 1-3 years older than you? I just think it’s unnecessary.

I despise calling anyone abang, except for my younger brother and those who I’ve been calling abang since I was small, like my cousin. Even though he’s just one year older than me, it would be weird if I suddenly stop calling him abang since I’ve been calling him ‘abang Hafiz’ ever since I was born. Ask any of my friends who are older than me, I’ve never called them Abang. I’ve never even called my boyfriend (*ehem* EX-bf) as abang.

I remember during the period of those painful months of taking my driving license, there was this guy who was in charge of me. He took care of the classes, test and all that. When he first introduced himself to me, he said, “call me, Abang Ijat.” (Ijat was his name… I think). and I was like… “ooohkaaaaaaaay…….” :yuck: :yuck:

So what if he’s older? If I don’t call him abang, doesn’t mean I don’t respect him. Calling elder sister as Kakak, is not the same case, however. Calling kakak never sounds flirtatious. It really is sounds like respecting. I really don’t mind if younger people don’t call me kakak, though.

Seriously, people.

To girls out there, if he’s not your blood related brother, your step brother, your foster brother, or your brother-in-law, or maybe your cousin, don’t call him Abang. Stop calling people Abang. Geli, ok. GELI.

maybe, you could use Mister, or in Malay, Encik, instead.

err… Encik, boleh tolong saya tak?”

or if you prefer something less formal, use ‘bro’ instead, “Bro, boleh tolong saya tak?” Rock sikit. :laugh:

Ok? Sekian, terima kasih. :smile:

p.s, Abang Hafiz. He was a very very mean kid. and I mean, VERY VERY MEAN. He was my nemesis during my childhood. :panic: When I was a kid, I see abang hafiz as: Danger. Must. Keep. The. Distance.

p.p.s, Terima kasih = thank you. Sekian is something like, that’s all. I think.

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This entry was posted by Aisyah on Sunday, May 25th, 2008 at 5:37 pm and is filed under Life Chronicles, Thoughts & Musings

75 Responses to “Stop Calling Him ‘Abang’”

  1. Rara Dinzly Lee Codith May 25th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    hello babe ;DD

    haha. hell yeah. i nvr called my boyf. [ eh, EX-boyf ] as abang. who does? ewwww.

    but i do address cashier , the waiter, the jockey, the plumber, the technician, the guard, the people who was passing by, the bus/taxi drivers, the man who was just standing by the road as abang.

    well,not much to say bt i guess its just one of typical malay culture isnt it? hee ;))

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  2. Aisyah May 25th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    yes, it’s our malay culture.

    even bf-gf pun.. ugh.. geli, geli. :yuck:

    and, it’s actually quite common to see lovers calling their bfs abang. my mum sometimes call my dad abang. but heck, they are married, they can call each other whatever they want. so they are excluded. hahah.

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  3. NoktahHitam May 25th, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    as a Man la kan, when you address me as Abg, it actually tickles my spinal chord. Maybe thats just me being me. Sometimes, the ‘Abg’ will also perasan mcm minah ni tangkap syok la plak.

    “Abang, bagi karipap 3.” euuww..

    try

    “Dik, karipap 3″ or “Karipap 3″ or “3 curry puff please”, yg last sekali tu tak yah la pakai, nanti org igt kite eksen plak.

    And always always always dont forget to thank them. have a nice weekened everyone~

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  4. Aisyah May 25th, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    abang eddie~~~ :)) :)) :))

  5. MK May 25th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    kak aisyah.. harharhar

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  6. d2z May 26th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    even bf-gf pun.. ugh.. geli, geli.

    setuju!!

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  7. Rara Dinzly Lee Codith May 25th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    ouh i’m the 1st one? haha. hv great weekend darling! ;DD

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  8. saffa May 25th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Not doing anything? 8-) U should strike it~ haha.. and yups! its look like a fashion design sketch.. :)
    Er.. Its look very yummy to me~ please hand it to me coz I havent eat ice cream for more than a month.. :panic: I’m going to get some tomorrow! :cheer:

    Yeah.. I agree with some points! Abang..?? it sound flirtatious and I really.. like eww..
    Unless.. there is a name after it.
    Eg: Abang Hafiz. But.. there is no way I would call a stranger Abang/Bang (unless I have to)! eww..

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  9. Aisyah May 25th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    not doing anything, means, not going out la honey. not just simply laying around doing nothing. haha.

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  10. saffa May 25th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    :)) lorh.. I will keep it in my mind! BTW, “Abang Hafiz. He was a very very mean kid”..
    I’m very curious about it.. ;)
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  11. Aisyah May 25th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    He was a bully. and he always hit me. kick me. punch me. when we were kids la. since I was born. we never really had a good bond. we were like cats and dogs. everytime we met each other, we would fight. it was until I was 16 that we started to stop fighting and talk about stuffs. and I actually started to get to know him better ever since we have stopped fighting.

    and when i say fight, I was referring to wrestling, kicking and punching. not just some cat fight.real fights. with bruises and all. hahah.

  12. NoktahHitam May 25th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Abg hafiz sgt mean!

    NH lagi baik

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  13. Aisyah May 25th, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    NH garang. hahah

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  14. Aneesah May 25th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    The figure sketches look good! :D Only.. uh, the girls all look exceedingly skinny, don’t you think? :P I suppose they’re runway models or something. ;)
    Haha, one of my younger bro’s birthday, and my best friend’s birthday, is also tomorrow, 26th of May. :P Bicycles with baskets at the front are CUTE! x)

    As for “abang”, occasionally I do find myself calling the cashier/shopkeeper/whoever “abang”, ’cause Encik seems more formal/professional (padahal orang tu mamat kerja Giant je), though I understand the geli-ness especially in calling a school senior / boyfriend “abang”. =\ Heck, I don’t even call my big bro abang! XD

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  15. Aisyah May 25th, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    yes, they are. but I don’t think they are exceedingly skinny. they are skinny, of course. but not too skinny. They definitely have the body to die for! well, at least for me. hehe.

    and oh, I do find myself calling them abang, despite the geli-ness. what to do. *shrugs*
    takpun, guna bro la.

    “Bro, leh tolong sikit tengok kereta ni tak?”

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  16. NoktahHitam May 25th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    It’s easy to refrain from using abang, start off with, “Excuse me..” or “Tumpang tanye….”.

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  17. Aisyah May 25th, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    brilliant! :D

  18. MK May 25th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    tak pun panggil “awak..”
    unsur kegelian juga di situ

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  19. helmie May 25th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    ouch! the sketches look great! :)

    neway, i agree so much with you about addressing older people as “abang” or “kakak”. these things has to do something getting respect. sheeshh! i used to call my senior as abang or kakak, but to be honest, i hate saying that because some of my senior were my friends actually. agak geli jugak lah. :yuck:

    but, i never tell my junior to call me abang, i just told them to call me by my name, but since they are eager to call me with that, there’s nothing i could do. :b

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  20. apis17 May 25th, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    cantiknya design website ni.. buat sendiri ke? nak blajar bulih?

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  21. NoktahHitam May 25th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    That is a valid point!

    Abang should be referred to a husband or related-by-blood brother. Bf-Gf.. manje nye?

    Same goes with the term “aku cinta padamu”. Try saying that to yourself. It’s awkward like hell!

    Those looked like manga drawings than a fashion sketch. Keep up!

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  22. Nads May 25th, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    IMHO…

    i call the waiter, cashier, jockey, etc. abang the same way one would say ‘eh bro,…’ :p

    the junior-senior thing well, that depends really on the person. i’ve some seniors that i call abang and some that i don’t. out of the few that I’m close with, I only call 2 of ‘em abang and that’s because I actually see them as big bros (no, they’re not my abang angkat… eek!) the ones that i don’t usually complain but i just don’t really care. hahaha.

    and lastly bf-gf berabang2? one word: EEEWWWWW!

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  23. wahaza extra May 25th, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    I hate people call me abang, macam nak tut tut pulak. I think I prefer the way ‘desmond’ from lost call ‘hey brother’ with Scottish accent. Haha.
    Call you kak aisyah that would make you look wierd do you think, young aisyah.

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  24. teddY May 25th, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Happy birthday to Aida!!! :D She’s looking so adorable with her hot pink bike, heheh. My mom was joking about my sudden, unexpected cravings for food, saying that I’m pregnant :yuck: because there’s this common saying that goes like ‘pregnant woman have frequent cravings of food, usually stimulated by the need of their babies’. LOL! I never knew babies can be so psychopathic! Anyway back to the craving story, I was craving for sweet corn ice cream the other day and I bought two tubs of it from Carrefour! Lol. And I finished one whole tub in one night, I couldn’t believe what I was doing to my body…

    Regarding the ‘abang’ thing, as far as I know, wives call their husbands ‘abang’ as well, and that’s what makes me feel that calling any other older male on the street ‘abang’ is rather inappropriate. In my school, we usually just refer to seniors with their names, since the largest age gap is like only 2 years (that’s when I was in college). :cheer:
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  25. razifmustapha May 25th, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    ala, panggil abg ke tak abg ke nak jadi isu ke, up to individu ler nak call macam mana, mengikut keselesaan. Umur tua sehari pun, nak panggil abg kalau selesa/hormat, go on je. Why should Geli2. It doesn’t make any problem pun.

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  26. Syahid A. May 25th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    I prefer “Encik”. Pernah tak kena sound bila panggik “akak” - “Eh kat sini tak ada akak kau”. lol

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  27. ijat May 25th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    ahah.. for me, it’s easier to call a stranger ‘abang’ than someone i’ve known.. about the bf-gf, agreed! :cheer:

    kamu lukis sangat cantik :)
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  28. ika May 26th, 2008 at 12:52 am

    abang? hehe i do call my bf abg :panic:
    but other man? NO!!!!!!
    but my driving teacher want me or other people to call him abg azid.oh!
    i’ve to call like that only in front of him.
    at the back,PAK CIK okei..he is as old as my grandpa la :)) i should call him atuk azid actually :panic:
    maybe because of the kelantanese culture,i’ve to call even stranger,abg,but outside kelantan,no la hehe
    dorang akan tengok pelik kat saya kalau saya panggil dorang, “bro,nok karipap sriya” equivalent to “bro,nak karipap seringgit”la… :))
    n,please dont call me kakak.i’ll feel really2 old haha

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  29. Uzairubiah May 26th, 2008 at 4:46 am

    calling your boyfriend abang are common but it will never wrong to call like that to someone.Maybe your ears doesn’t accept it..but truly..address your lover as ” hubby” are likely more less “geli”..

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  30. Aisyah May 26th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    actually, there are no right or wrong. it’s up to the person whether or not they are comfortable with the calling. but seriously, bf-gf, calling abang is… menggelikan.

    say,if I happen to walk around and heard young couple, calling her boyfriend “abang”, I feel really geli you know. but if they are married, of course it sounds romantic. then again, when they are married, whatever they call their lovers sound romantic. but, for pupply love couples calling their bf n gf like that. ugh… grow up la. fiancée… ok lah. huhu :p

    thats my opinion. =)

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  31. zool May 26th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    ada budak opis ko panggil awek dia hubby ker??
    Opis aku ada.. gedik siot…

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  32. Uzairubiah May 27th, 2008 at 7:21 am

    ada beb..geli mat..hahaha..

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  33. abdusfauzi May 26th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    maybe you can try “sedara / sedari”..
    sound more formal compared to “encik” kan?
    and more suitable in all ages.. aite?
    hahaha..

    my ex-gf used to me “abang”..
    now then i realise it was realy “eeuuukh..”
    hehe..

    well, i used to fight with my 3-years-older brother..
    and yet he is the one that im close to..
    we do ‘gaduh-gaduh’ like you did with your cousin,
    but, in the end, he treat me with anything i want..
    yea!!

    p/s: im missing him. currently, he is studing in UK. waaaa. :bawl:

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  34. d2z May 26th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    dlu penah kerja part time dekat koperasi sekolah rendah..budak-budak situ panggil pakcik..umur baru 17+ masa tu..aish~ :cheer: :bawl:

    ps: culture skolah aku laa tu kena panggil senior abg..haha..dem~ :))
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  35. NoktahHitam May 26th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    I think its about time you do something about Favicon. Btw, added you in my Negaraku! project

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  36. sarancak May 26th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    bro, bagi nasi lemak 3. hahaha that sounds funny! :cheer:

    ooookaayy i TOTALLY agree with the fact that no one should EVERR call their bf abang okay, DONT! seriously geli gila! :panic:

    haha and please juniors, dont call me kakak haha i am not that old. haha :))

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  37. zool May 26th, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Terpulanglah pada keselesaan masing2..
    Saya pun tak berapa gemar di panggil abang oleh budak perempuan kat opis ni.. Nampak ‘gedik’.. Huhuhuhu..
    lebih ok kalau dipanggil ‘encik’( diorang sumer panggil encik walaupun pangkat tak tinggi mana)…
    tapi ok sikit kot berbanding panggil abang.. tapi orang lain tak tau le .. mungkin ada yang suka.. pendapat masing2…
    aisyah boleh panggil saya Datuk Wira Zool.. Ha ha ha…

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  38. Simply Precious May 27th, 2008 at 12:31 am

    LOL, I know what you mean about being productive one day, and lazy the next. =P That’s always me. LOL. Good luck with your assignments!!

    OMG, I’m craving ice cream! Hehe!

    Aww, that’s nice that Aida got a bike for her birthday! Hehe, it looks like she’s having fun!

    Anyways, hmm, yeah, I tried to read that whole Abang section, but I ended up getting confused… Sorry…

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  39. Dyana May 27th, 2008 at 12:40 am

    lmao what an amusing read. Actually come to think of it, I am not comfortable with addressing a stranger ‘abang’ either! I’m okay with calling my own brother or cousins or relatives ‘abang’, but for me to address a cashier that, no way. I’d feel like I’m flirting with him or something! And for me to call my boyfriend ‘abang’, BLEAH. Macam meluat sendiri pun ada. :))

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  40. Jay May 27th, 2008 at 3:57 am

    Awesome layout :D
    Hm, I wish I had people that complained when I did’nt blog lol. Too bad my site isn’t popular so.. umm yea lol.

    When I grow up, I want my site like yours.
    HEHE xD

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  41. asx May 27th, 2008 at 5:11 am

    Haha . Abg Geli ya?. Yeah , i know sometimes abg are use for gf to call their bf .

    Geli tak geli , our nature so call “the malays” are using it for decades ! . 70 years++ already.

    Don’t say “euu” , “ko pgl die abg?? . yucks” and “geli giler!” , its like you saying “geli” to our very own lifestyle which is the malays life style.

    Cheers .

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  42. Aisyah May 27th, 2008 at 7:23 am

    asx, I didn’t mean to say “yuck” to our malay culture.

    time has changed. “Abang” is no longer appropriate to be addressed to anyone (except brother…bla3). in other words, calling people abang, somewhat makes me feel like I’m seducing the guy.

    I don’t know. maybe it’s just me. but it seems like a number of people here agree with that, from both the female and the males’ side.

    maybe it’s the modern upbringing has changed how we use the Malay language. I’m not sure how, though. :p

    calling bf abang, for me is unacceptable, especially for young couples. period. hahah. :))

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  43. abdusfauzi May 27th, 2008 at 9:50 am

    dear asx..
    you called me “abang” also when you were F1..
    hahaha..

    that was when you were my young JR,
    but, in the end, when you were F4,
    you merely called my name je..

    SAYA SNR: CALL ME ABANG, NOW! IF NOT, KETUK-KETAMPI 100!!

    :cheer:

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  44. Aisyah May 27th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    come on la. laki dgn laki panggil abang, takde la geli ok. perempuan pggl laki abang je, kadang2 geli. haha.

  45. asx May 27th, 2008 at 10:22 am

    Yes i call u abang b4 , and i don’t care about that beause i did nothing wrong and i was never “geli” at that time . btw ..

    Did i?. i think i started to know you while i was in f3. Heks.

    See?. it’s unacceptable you said aight?. yeah , the modernizations killing the malay culture , it kills everything that we have.

    1.it makes people said “geli” to the old fashion called their BF , and strangers “abg” .

    2.it makes people said “it’s like seducing” to called people “abg” . (I certainly can’t agree with it ,think further lah )

    3.And it certainly shown that “Malay culture or the Malay lifestyle” should not be implemented in our daily life just like some of you did.

    Btw Aisyah . Doesn’t mean that if most people agree with your points , your points are 100% correct . Even with a single disagreement can show that .

    I rest my case. =)

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  46. audi May 27th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    Hey, dude, if it’s preserving the Malay culture that you want, you should say instead to everyone to stop dating. How does arranged marriage sounds to you?

    And I am all up for saying ‘yuck’ to anything that is uncomfortable to me.

    One more thing. If it is once a cultural thing to use abang to refer to- practically anyone, why won’t you accept that the culture nowadays is not to refer them as abangs?

    The times have indeed change as Aisyah had said. From ‘hamba’ to ’saudara’ to ‘kamu’ to ‘awak’ to ‘engkau’ to ‘kau’ and then down to just ‘ko’.

    Say what you want about modernizations. If it weren’t for it, our women may still need husbands to provide for them and we as dudes can never get a girlfriend as the result of sex segregation. Plus, there wouldn’t be any good music if it weren’t for modernizations. No good films either…

    Modernization? Bring it on!!

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  47. abdusfauzi May 27th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    hik hik.. err.. yela.. i was the one who handle some parts of your adeptation week meh.

    hoho..
    but, when you guys got older, calling me abang, especially, yang kenal me like you does, will be a bit.. “no need la.”

    hahaha..
    SENIORITY RULEZ!
    ain’t im right saudara shahir [a.k.a asx]?
    peace :p

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  48. Aisyah May 27th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    so, the conclusion is you are very comfortable being called abang and unlike Noktahhitam, your the calling ‘abang’ does not tickle your spinal cord. very well, then. some people are okay with it. or some guys even liked to be called abang. whatever, suit yourself.

    and, when I say that there are people who agree with me, I agree, it doesn’t mean that I’m right. same goes with the other way around, it doesn’t mean that I’m wrong. Like I said in one of my comments above, there is no right or wrong in this case. it depends on oneself.

    and, for the number 3, asx, I don’t quite get what you are trying to say. in my understanding, culture is something that is passed from generations to generations in a certain group of people and it’s something positive. lifestyle, however, it’s something that we do, be it bad or good, as individuals. so, what are you suggesting, abang asx. :)

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  49. asx May 30th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    btw , x nampak la plak this comment . Haha .

    Abang asx?.*uiks.

    Call me , I wanna hear how you said it .
    Hahaha.

    For the suggestion , check up and down . you will find the answer.

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  50. asx May 27th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    Haha . Rememeber dude . i mantion both , culture and lifestyle . Arrange marriage are still use now. But that totally out of story . Maybe you don’t understand what i mean . durh~

    Saying “yucks” to anything that is not comfortable to you?. Think again and again . I know maybe you are the one wif “i-don’t-care-what-people-said” . What happen if one of of your friends , the closest one said that “i call abg to my BF” , will you say yucks to it?. If yes . i congrats you! . a good manners you have . Common sense lah .

    Did i say that modernization is wrong? . Hey , i love it , more than you could think of . I don’t care about the movies created , songs and wtv u said . Nothing matter in what i’m trying to say. Dude , by the way , again you don’t get my points . Haha . i hope somebody can’t counter it back in an appropriate way . heks.

    For the last part?. Hahahahahahaha . Bring it on?. Then do it . I hope it is good thing for all of us .

    And for salam , yes it is . Seniority rulez , i can’t doubt that . seriously. Haha.

    Cheers . and no offense yah! . *winks.

    asx’s last blog post..Sepi . Afdlin Shauki di Layar Romantis

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  51. audi May 27th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Well, in my defense, you did sound like you didn’t like modernization when you said quote ‘it kills everything we have’ unquote.

    When I said ‘yuck’ I mean, like voicing out when you have a problem with something. Don’t just blatantly and bluntly ‘yuck’. That is just nonconstructive and stupid.

    Culture or lifestyle is a sort of tabula rasa really. 70 years ago calling abang is the norm. Today though, its different. People have different ideas on how we should all live. And by the looks of it on this blog, the culture/lifestyle/trend today is not to spurt abang to every older male you sees.

    It is not a culture murder at all. It’s a progressive thing. It changes according to how the society thinks that certain things fit. That’s culture….or lifestyle…or…language?

    If I still am getting it wrong, I am really sorry…

    and yes, I am bored. That’s why I checked this blog out twice today.. :bored:
    audi’s last blog post..love lives in voices…not silence

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  52. Tny May 27th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    I love :bigheart: those figures on ur figure studies sketchbook.. Look nice.. errmm put colors some more, pasti cun!!!

    Keep trying and improving.. u got talents gurl :)

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  53. Zaza May 27th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Hi Aisyah. Don’t mind me giving my two cents on the subject of calling people abang, ya?

    For me, calling people abang is ‘menggelikan’ only and only if you use it, as you implied, in inappropriate places and tones (lenggok/nada suara). Consider this:

    Tone 1: “Abaaaaaaaaaaaaang…beg ni takleh murah sikit ke?..boleh la abaaaaang..alaaaa abang niiiii..”
    Tone 2: “Bang, pisang goreng singgit yeh. Dengan sambal. Makaseh bang eh.”

    Note the difference: Perkataan “abang” tu tak bersalah, terpulang la kita guna macam mana. As for Gf-bf guna title Abang, I think it’s much better than using Hubby, Honey, Hunny-Bunny, Ayang, Anje, Baby, Sweetheart, Cayunk, etc etc. So you see your teenage friends who are in “puppy-love” mode calling their boyfriends Abang, or people in “drama melayu” doing that. How about real-life people, others who are not 18 anymore and have much older boyfriends? Takkan nak panggil Aku-kau? Saya-Awak? I-You?

    I also don’t give a rat’s ass (excuse my French) about calling people Abang just because they are older or my senior. Tapi kita org Timur penuh dgn adab. My boss is a man, he doesn’t like people calling him Encik, “just call me Fuad”, he says. But I call him Abang Fuad because he is 20 years older and much more experienced and knowledgeable than me. Bukankah lebih sopan?

    So..panggil Abang ikut kesesuaian lah ye =) Hope I didn’t offend you. Just putting things into perspective.

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  54. ika May 27th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    hurmm…some of your points i did agree..i’ll never called my bf with Hubby, Honey, Hunny-Bunny, Ayang, Anje, Baby, Sweetheart, Cayunk….
    i don’t like it.
    but maybe for other people who use that (above) words,it may sounds nicer n dorang tak rasa geli than using ‘abang’ because it sound more modern,but,they must also accept who use ‘abang’ :)

    errr…correct me if i say wrong :)

    ika’s last blog post..apabila terpaksa membuat pilihan..

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  55. Zaza May 27th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    Oh wait.. I didn’t read the comments before this :panic: Disclaimer: I am in no way trying to spark a controversy or appear to support any other individual but myself. Haha.

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  56. Aisyah May 27th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    oh, don’t worry, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, right? and, I’d love to hear some disagreements as well; see things from different perspectives.

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  57. abdusfauzi May 27th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    asx, jom layan SEPI nnt.. aku dah kat KL by that time.. hehe.. aisyah nak join? :p

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  58. amirah.r May 28th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    yea2 i totally agree

    mmg la..originally, the term “abang” was used to respect an older male.
    but in recent times, the term has been greatly misused by desperate pervs.
    hence, our umm “geliness” towards the name.

    yea i dntusually call any guy who’s 1-3 yrs older as abang. well except abg wan
    but tht was a joke tht got stuck

    for bf, gf..total EEEW
    i used 2 call my bf “adik” :panic:
    tht was b4 we were together…hehe
    (it was also a joke)

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  59. zuriaf May 28th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    abang? hahaha…zaman skang ni dah banyak yang guna kata nama tu tanpa disedari…

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  60. asx May 28th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Sory for the late reply . Haha . Browsing from KL Sentral now . Waiting for my train to arrive.

    Btw , Dude , it is who the one that think that i don’t like it , Doesn’t mean when i say somethin that looks like i hate , its mean that i hate it . Not everything in modernization are killing us . Some are helping us also . But in this case , Yes , it is .

    Btw , just to make it clear . if something “kill” our language , it also do the same to our “culture” , nevertheless , the lifestyle of our culture is also affected . Everything is related.

    And for Zaza opinion . i don’t know why , seems that i enjoy reading it . Drop by to my web , we could have a glass of coke together . Haha.”

    And for AbdusFauzi . “igt Penang and KL , naik bas rapid, dah sampai?. Haha.” We’ll see how.

    Cheers everybody =).

    asx’s last blog post..Sepi . Afdlin Shauki di Layar Romantis

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  61. audi May 28th, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    Ermm…Sorry, I still have a bone to pick with you. It’s the holiday after all, I am just so darned bored right now.

    Yes, language is our culture. Therefore killing the language would destroy some of our ancestors’ legacy.

    That said, I stand strong by my argument that modernization never truly kill our language. It may have killed some of our traditions (culture), but that is a price we have to pay for progress and development in the globalized world.

    Besides, I think cultures are just nuisance to us, a road block, a hard and long detour for us to reach our destination, the true unity. Imagine that if they were no cultures and no religions, us humans would have existed as a single entity, humanity, instead of this some sort of prehistoric tribes.

    Now, back to the language thingie. As I said before, modernization never truly kill our language. I would rather call the change of the perception of certain word (abang) as the evolution of language.

    You must have certainly watched P. Ramlee movies. Did you notice the language that he spoke? Do you speak like that in your daily lives? That was 50 years ago.

    2000 years ago, the same Malay language is really, just like a whole another language, apart from what we usually speak. But still, we call it Malay. You see, like Aisyah had said, the times have change. So does the language.

    The words we use may be the same, but the meaning or the image that we get from the word may differ from the old times. In this case, ‘abang’ which was originally intended for showing respect and a sign of seniority to older males, have been changed to that of the flirtatious tone that I (and most of the replies here) usually gets.

    And that is not ‘killing the language’. Killing the language would be like mixing up two different languages. As an example, the ordinary rojak English that we often hear on the streets.

    I never thought the word abang would interest me in writing something like this. Now, I feel like an immature brat…

    Heh, maturity is overrated anyway. Later.

    audi’s last blog post..love lives in voices…not silence

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  62. Aisyah May 29th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    culture is a hard and long detour for us to reach our destination? audi, do you even know what culture is?

    sorry audi, as open minded about modernity as I might be, I cannot agree with that. culture is actually positive things that are passed from generations to generations. depends on what culture, not all culture are ‘blocking’ us to be successful. only those with narrow minded would say that. perhaps, there are some cultures that might slow us down to get our goals. PERHAPS.

    and yes, modernization do NOT kill our language. it only changes how we use our language. like how the Malay grammar has changed over time. same goes for other languages, even English.

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  63. audi May 29th, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    meh, I made another enemy.

    I am not talking about being successful here, I am talking about unity. ANYONE can be successful, but to gain unity, EVERYONE HAS to be united.

    What cultures are doing to us, are differentiating a group of humans from another. And by differentiating ourselves, it just make it that much harder for us to stand as a single entity.

    And please don’t bring the ‘tolerance’ and ‘understanding’ crap here. If we truly are understanding and tolerant as we’d like to think we are, we wouldn’t even have those two words. The same goes to multi-racial and multi-this, multi-that. Its all crap.

    I am not saying cultures made it impossible for us to achieve unity, I am just saying that they made it much harder for us compared to the hypothetical situation that I painted. No cultures, only humans. Imagine that.

    (This actually came from John Lennon’s song ‘Imagine’. Try listening (I mean, LISTEN) to it.)

    As for some examples of events concerning cultures (or religion) making it harder for us to be united:

    -No ‘Happy Deepavali’ from muslims to hindus.

    -Karpal Singh and the Death Threats. (actually reminded me to watch Indiana)

    -Lina Joy.

    -The dead Indian who supposedly converted to Islam a day before he died and was buried as a muslim. No hindu styled burial as the wife would have wanted.

    and….I’m sure there are some more, but that’s all I could take off the top of my head.

    (sorry I couldn’t provide proper links for those news. Well, you probably heard of them anyway.)

    So, by my logic, cultures are indeed a road block for us. But that doesn’t mean we can’t ignore it and just ram straight at it. The problem is, we are all so timid and afraid to get our cars some scratches and bumps.

    audi’s last blog post..love lives in voices…not silence

  64. abdusfauzi May 28th, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    aah la.. tak ingat plak. takpe2..
    we’ll see.. hik hik.

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  65. Halley May 29th, 2008 at 1:01 am

    Ohh I know what you’re talking about. In my language we have this name “anh” it is quite cheesy I agree. XD I makes me feel ickie, girls who call their boyfriends that make them sound really whiny and annoying.

    Halley’s last blog post..‘Cause I’m black?!

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  66. Shen May 29th, 2008 at 1:13 am

    Awww, Aida looks so adorable. You’re lucky to have a sister like that. =) Happy Belated Birthday to her! Your sketches look great love!
    PS. Sorry for the short comment. I’m not suppose to be online since my eyes are aching so badly. =(

    Shen’s last blog post..Fun in the sun!

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  67. asx May 29th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    Haha . It’s like a forum where we discuss stuff . Dear dude Audi , care to meet?. then we have a long talk about modernization and the “abg” thing. Haha .

    Btw , If you are boring ,then write a post about it .

    Your points support me a lot in this case . And i only reply those that i think is inappropriate.

    For the first point ,Yes . Modernization is not eventually killed everything . But even a slice at the throat of our culture is enough to do it.

    For the second point , this is the most unexpected answers .
    The culture is a roadblock and da..da..da and da. Silly mistake , Look for yourself dude , the modernization has overtaken your mind and make you said like that . And still you didn’t believe that modernization already killed you .Dude , realize it! . *I am laughing now . Haha.

    Btw , And without the culture , we wouldn’t be known as “malay” nowadays and even the modernization will never exist . Just a reminder , “Melayu Mudah Lupa” is what you are doing now . You don’t like our culture? , you don’t want the culture to be in our life? . , then i just can say this , you don’t deserve to be called a human or even better a “malay” . Dude , the culture is the startup for everything . Without the culture , you will have nothing now or even the modernization that you love so much . And yes , i can’t believe you just said it . For a young mind to embark , i hope you change .

    And about the killing language thing . I will certainly said that is also one of the part for it . For the “rojak campur” , that is another type . Dude , killing has a lot of ways . Haha . Don’t be so narrow minded .

    Btw , no offense for everything i said , and just like you said .It was just a “calling abg” matter . haha . Cheers.

    asx’s last blog post..Sepi . Afdlin Shauki di Layar Romantis

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  68. zool May 29th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Bosannya.. Tuan tanah dah lama tak update blog…
    Gi mana ek??

    zool’s last blog post..Bermulanya projek cacing

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  69. Aisyah May 29th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    ada disini. tapi xde masa nak update. :bawl:

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  70. nono May 29th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    tuka la jadi ‘brader’ hehehe

    nono’s last blog post..Hiatus for 10 days

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  71. asx May 30th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    There you go. =) . seems that Dear Dude Audi is sleeping.. *sighs.

    Saje nak bising2 . like you said before. bosan kan?. Haha.

    asx’s last blog post..Bila Koyak . Rakan Sentiasa ada,

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  72. audi May 30th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    err. actually, I replied under aisyah up there.

    the one with you>me>aisyah>me>some dude.

    audi’s last blog post..i’ll always fly with the conchords

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  73. asx May 31st, 2008 at 1:43 am

    Is that your reply to my post?. owh . I thought is was just some crap.

    Btw , Dear dude Audi , I don’t know why but i just created a nick for you . Haha , DDA .

    Again , i don’t think that i should repeat my points as it is standing high compare to what you are explaining . Dude Audi , taken from your comment .

    “No cultures, only humans. Imagine that.”

    dude . wake up lah! . “Budak kecik” is a better thinker rather than you.Why? . ask for yourself .

    Actually , i want to say more , but worthless talking to a person who didn’t want to accept life .

    I know my comment(s) maybe have made you gone mad , but relax , don’t overdose yourself . Haha .

    Lastly , hey , i’m not your enemy as you mention before . relax . Aisyah pun bukan lah . It’s normal to argue , it make us think further and wiser . Cheers dude .

    asx’s last blog post..Bila Koyak . Rakan Sentiasa ada,

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  74. audi May 31st, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    the enemy thingie. I wasn’t referring to the kind of enemy that you’d kill. More like enemy of opinions. Sort of like pembangkang, penyokong, etc.

    No, cultures is not the start-up of everything. The start-up of everything is human logic. Cultures were just a by-product of that. Let’s look at it this way.

    When you see the sun? What do you think of it?

    Abraham thought that sun is God’s invention, Mayans thought sun is god, so did Japanese and Greeks, Egyptians thought that sun was god’s eye.

    Its that differing opinions that created different cultures and different way of life. We do what we think is right.

    But that’s human nature, we are not alike.

    That’s why I said it is just a hypothetical situation that I painted. What has passed has passed. I can’t change that. It was just a wishful thinking of mine that cultures never existed.

    And you said that modernization has overtaken my mind. Well, my reply to that, why not? Modernization isn’t a bad thing you know. As you said, without cultures, maybe there would be no modernization. Modernization is actually the next step for us in social evolution.

    Cultures have served us well in our tiny land of Malaya (maybe, I won’t attest to that), up until this point. Just think. Maybe, in this globalized world, we need to be more universal, more accepting of others.

    Why not let modernization be the new culture for all of us?

    audi’s last blog post..onemanga.com

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  75. xmindfreakx June 4th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    dont called me abang.Its make me feel old..cough..cough…
    but my gf call me b..sound weird to others,but hell yeah…i lyk that sound..uh..u dont like it?so,dont pasang telinga when we’r chatting..hahaha

    xmindfreakx’s last blog post..Cerita tentang Surat Khabar

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